Andrew Wakefield finally vindicated

Andrew Wakefield finally vindicated

WACO, TX – Andrew Wakefield, the man behind the now infamous and retracted Lancet study linking vaccines to autism, has finally been vindicated. In an unprecedented move, Wakefield used his millions of dollars he amassed over the years from his anti-vaccine celebrity status to form his own committee.

Modern Medical Research (or MMR) is a committee set up and funded by Wakefield and anti-vaccine parents through donations. They took 4 weeks to look at all the evidence (provided to them by Wakefield) and determined that he was innocent of all charges and should have his medical license re-instated immediately.

“This is a great day for me. The committee looked at all the facts and have determined beyond a reasonable doubt that I am innocent of any wrong doing” said a very happy Wakefield.

Anti-vaccine parents the world over are also overjoyed by the news.

“I knew it! I knew this committee would find him innocent. I just knew it” said Skye Dreamcatcher. “This just reinforces my belief that not having my children vaccinated was the right thing to do. I still have two healthy children who are both vaccine free. Even after I lost my first child to pertussis, I stuck to my guns and refused to have my other two angels vaccinated. I know now it was the right decision.”

The science world and mainstream media have largely ignored the story, not surprisingly.

“The mainstream media and the medical mafia will of course ignore this story” said glorified blogger Jake Crisby. “They don’t want the truth to come out. It’s time for everyone to wake up. Do your research. Chemtrails mercury aluminum big pharma CDC whistleblower toxins” Crisby said trailing off.

Truly a great day for the anti–vaccine cult leader.

 

  • MisterLiteral

    Absolutely hilarious.

    • AutismDad

      Yes you are.

  • Obviously, I will have to post apologies on my blog for calling him names. He is a good man.

    Hold on, while I grab an emesis basin.

    • AutismDad

      Stick to your own vile site and leave this for descent folks.

      • Hans Meyer
      • ‘sabelmouse’ actually up-voted that comment? Should I make the effort to work through all the layers of irony? I don’t know whether to laugh or… laugh harder.

        • AutismDad

          Try thinking harder, you may finally come up with something worth posting.

          • Peter Foster

            Have you ever posted anything of worth? I have looked at a few of your comments here and as far as I can tell they are all worthless. Tell me how do your children cope with having an autistic dad?

          • AutismDad

            Much like yours.

          • sabelmouse

            are you denigrating autistic people/parents now?

          • Peter Foster

            Why would you think In am denigrating autistic people/parents?

            I think that comment should have been addressed to the autismdad character, hi is tiresome, abusive and unwilling to learn.

            However I will not insult him and continue to treat him with the respect he deserves. If he is genuine and does have an autistic son then it is likely, since autism is largely genetic that both he and his partner are on the autistic spectrum. This would fit with the Baron-Cohen assortative mating hypothesis.

          • sabelmouse

            and Baron-Cohen might be wrong. most likely is.

          • AutismDad

            Baron Cohen is a clown. Old school dogma at its lowest.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            “However I will not insult him and continue to treat him with the respect he deserves.”
            He deserves respect? He doesn’t show any.

          • Peter Foster

            I said that I will continue to treat him with the respect he deserves, in his case, the respect he deserves is tending to zero. Even though he is such a sociopathic ignorant fool I will not insult him as he clearly has mental/cognitive difficulties that are beyond his control.

            His condition could be treatable, but unfortunately his mental problems make him unwilling to seek the help he needs or even accept it if offered.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            fair enough

          • AutismDad

            I want a 2nd opinion Dr DUH

          • AutismDad

            screw you I don’t.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            You admit you don’t deserve respect? Good, that makes this easy.

          • AutismDad

            Comprehension zero Fowler. No wonder you talk nonsense.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            I don’t talk nonsense at all, you’re just retarded

        • sabelmouse

          and why wouldn’t i?

        • Bjorn Fowler

          I’m actually beginning to suspect sabelmouse and autismdad are the same person

          • sabelmouse

            and i suspect that you don’t even have half a brain.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Oh wow, how long did you spend thinking that up?

          • sabelmouse

            not very long, why?

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Because it was very uncreative

          • sabelmouse

            gosh fowler, could you be more inane?

          • Bjorn Fowler

            You’re the one who thinks vaccines are harmful despite all the evidence showing the contrary, can’t get more inane than that.

          • sabelmouse

            another word that you need to look up in the dictionary.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Inane=Stupid/silly/foolish

            describes you and your anti-vax stance to the letter

          • sabelmouse

            so you did look it up.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            You used a word I didn’t know, I looked it up, it defines you perfectly, what of it?

          • sabelmouse

            i guess self awareness is not your strong suit.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            What? I support a treatment that prevents disease and is safe, for some stupid reason, you oppose it.

          • sabelmouse

            what you understand wouldn’t fill a picture book for toddlers. and that’s about your level.
            your so unsophisticated it creates a black hole.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            *You’re

            And I understand plenty, you just refuse to learn.

          • sabelmouse

            every time that you say that it’s funnier. such delusion!

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Got a peer reviewed study to prove me wrong? If not, be quiet and stop spreading your idiocy.

          • sabelmouse

            for your stupidity? plenty! everybody who comes in contact with you. why, i don’t think even the porn posse upvotes you.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            So in other words, no you cannot. reinforcing that your claims are false.

          • sabelmouse

            my claims that you’re one of the most foolish people that i’ve ever encountered.
            anybody can see that.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Says the guy avoiding backing up his anti-vaxx stance while resorting to calling others stupid and foolish to win an argument.

            You really are in denial

          • sabelmouse

            just admit it fowler; you’re actually 12 and you can’t tell boys and girls apart except by hairstyle.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            24, you’re still avoiding backing up your antivaxx propaganda

          • sabelmouse

            then stop acting like a 12 year old.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            I’m actually taking this argument quite maturely, you’re the one avoiding giving proof for your argument and falling back on calling others stupid when you have nothing to argue back with

          • sabelmouse

            which argument? all we’re talking about is your lack of sense. have studies been done on your extraordinary foolishness?link me!

          • Bjorn Fowler

            This is a vaccine thread, keep up troll.

          • sabelmouse

            you remind me of my son as a teenager trying to impress me with his maturity.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Still avoiding backing up your antivaxx propaganda.

          • sabelmouse

            no matter fowler.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            No matter? You just can’t back it up is all.

          • sabelmouse

            i’m not trying to. you’re to dumb to even understand that much.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Because we both know no proof exists to back your argument up.
            Of course you wouldn’t try.

          • sabelmouse

            dear, i’ve watched you not understand anything that people have given you.
            or rather, dumb is your way of shillin’.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            THEY HAVEN’T GIVEN ANYTHING OR WHATEVER THEY DO GIVE IS WRONG/LIES/MISINFORMATION! YOU INCLUDED

          • sabelmouse

            you should link up with a poster called dave who posts on issues of climate change , you could be soulmates.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Do you feel good knowing that spreading your antivaxx propaganda has potentially gotten an unvaccinated child killed?

          • sabelmouse

            and who would that be?

          • Bjorn Fowler

            dunno, some child whose parents believed you

          • sabelmouse

            nobody should just blindly believe anybody, that would be bad parenting. unlike the many sheeple who vaccinate those of us who vaccinate less, or differently, or not at all tend to do our research, care/fully and thoroughly.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Normally I’d agree, but parents don’t understand the science behind it and read antivaxx misinformation. And because its not just them at risk of disease, vaccines should be mandatory.

          • sabelmouse

            you are hilarious but we must hope that you never get the chance to become a tinpot dictator.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Why? because I would be reasonable and make them mandatory keeping the population healthy? as opposed to allowing epidemics and outbreaks? F**k you’re stupid

          • sabelmouse

            fowler, baby, how would YOU know? bet if you’d lived in a different time and place you’d have joined a certain bunch of young’ens to keep the population healthy.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            “fowler, baby, how would YOU know?”
            uh, did you forget i’m a qualified immunologist?

          • sabelmouse

            you don’t give the impression of knowing anything but what pharma sponsoring has fed you.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            There you go showing your foolishness again. THERE IS NO PHARMA CONSPIRACY

          • Mike P

            As opposed to the the many injured or killed from vaccines? You’re sympathetic to unvaccinated children dying from disease but when those unvaccinated children get killed or injured from vaccinating, suddenly they don’t exist and are denied their sympathy and understanding. Its the double standard that doesn’t make sense.

            Go ahead, vaccinate my friend. No one is telling you not to. You want everyone who can vaccinate to do it so in order to protect those who cant be, correct? That would be fine and dandy if the vaxed weren’t contributing to the spread of disease themselves and subjecting infants and the immunocompromised to infection.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Prove vaccines kill mate, there’s plenty of proof disease kills, but I have yet to see a valid source to show vaccines kill or injure.
            While you’re at it, prove that vaccinated spread disease.
            Do that and I’ll listen to what you say. It’s not a double standard, it is a legitimate lack of cause from vaccines

            https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013
            (england and wales mortality and cases)

          • AutismDad

            Baby killer

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Again, give proof you halfwit

          • Jack Sprat

            *too

          • AutismDad

            Cause you’re clueless?

          • Bjorn Fowler

            No, just that you’re always showing up as a pair

      • Stacy Garinger

        nice spelling by the way… how can we take you seriously if you can’t even spell?

        • AutismDad

          Did you miss me?

        • AutismDad

          Whats wrong with my spelling? Are you daft?

          • Stacy Garinger

            “Stick to your own vile site and leave this for decent folks.” this was your post how do you spell Decent by they way??????

          • Stacy Garinger

            sorry you wrote Descent folks…. I was wondering if you knew how to spell decent

          • AutismDad

            It says right there how I spell it. Is there another way?

          • Peter Foster

            Well we know now that AutisticDad is a liar as well as an ignorant, arrogant and childish self pitying fool. Probably a good idea to take screenshots of his future mistakes to ridicule him with later.

          • AutismDad

            So clever. Such an important endeavor too.

          • Stacy Garinger

            her was your original post but I think you fixed it after I called it to your attention how convenient…. “…and leave this for descent folks.”

          • AutismDad

            You are thinking of someone else.

          • Stacy Garinger

            have you always been a complete asshole or has that come recently??? seriously

          • AutismDad

            And you think you are the belle of the ball?

          • AutismDad

            You’ve mistaken me for Peter Foster.

          • Mike Stevens

            “Whats [sic] wrong with my spelling?”

            So you think these shining examples of yours would win the Spelling Bee?

            “Genetic or some other suseptability exists and Vaccines exacerbate it you ilogical stooge”

            I am frankly surprised you got “exacerbate” correct.
            That’s probably because it is reminiscent of other words you use ending in “..bate”

          • AutismDad

            YAWN. Mike DUH Stevens has little else to do but point out spelling errors. I guess he was done bate-ing himself.

    • AutismDad

      suck it SR

    • AutismDad

      Tell eveyone how you ban anyone critical of vaccines from the sad Skeptical Craptor

      • Proponent

        You really.. really.. are a dud, Dud.

        You’d rather spend time talking to yourself on these boards.. then, that of spending time with your child.

        Well.. done … you, Dud.

        • AutismDad

          Wrong plop

          • And more in-depth commentary by one of the great minds of our time.

    • AutismDad

      Grab a bed pan too, no doubt your about to fill one.

  • Allison Hagood

    Brilliant. Simply brilliant.

    It’ll be hilarious to see the vaccine denialist cult members spread this as real information.

    • sabelmouse

      and who would those be?

  • Stacy Garinger

    no way should he be vindicated for what he did. He terrified a nation and then so many people stopped vaccinating. thus the big measles outbreak lately and other children getting deathly ill from age old diseases that should not be around. He was convinced by a “celebrity” and they worked together to make it possible to not protect out children.

    • MisterLiteral

      I’m pretty sure you missed the point of this article completely.

      • Stacy Garinger

        How so MisterLiteral. maybe it’s you who doesn’t understand. this doctor along with a b actress Jenny McCarthy made it so that thousands of people didn’t get vaccinated and got lied to about it causing autism. which it doesn’t….Now we have a brand new measles outbreak, whooping cough and other dangerous infectious diseases. Sorry we don’t agree but I don’t really mind it’s your opinion AND it’s mine too.

        • MisterLiteral

          Well, let’s see here.

          The Spudd contains articles that are satire; as in NOT REAL.

          This article was probably shared by thousands of Anti-Vaxxers thinking that Wakefield has indeed been vindicated (which has hasn’t), and only further shows how ignorant those that don’t believe vaccination is safe and/or effective, really are.

          I’ll say it again: This is not a real article. It is a spoof, making fun of people who actually believe Wakefield. Any article on this website should not be taken seriously, because it is an intentional joke. Did you not pick up on that?

          • Stacy Garinger

            thank you for sharing that i did not know it was satire and now i do. i’m glad to hear it. cause i was perplexed.

          • AutismDad

            Most of you fool are perplexed so its a vaxxer thing

          • Stacy Garinger

            what does that mean autism dad. you obviously have a child with autism? Do you still think it was caused by a vaccination? because it has now been proved very publicly that is does NOT

          • AutismDad

            Are you perplexed again? No wonder you believe that Wakefield was some evil anti-vaccine messiah and not an honest researcher who was attacked and railroaded because he was getting too close for comfort. You come across as a Valley girl who has little real and true idea what this issue entails.

          • Stacy Garinger

            I never said anything about him being an anti vaccine messiah he was found to be a fraud when it comes to vaccines causing vaccinations. so much so he lost his medical license. Here is an article talking about the FRAUD. the lies. etc. I am not a valley girl not at all. He lied and made it up and caused a medical emergency. So why vindicate him. also I heard this original article we are discussing was satire and not real anyway so no need for you to keep offending me. http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/

          • AutismDad

            You are regurgitating media stories. Wakefield was doing a medical intervention not a vaccine study. Brian Deer who created all the lies was hired because he is a professional hitman. He was hired by James Murdoch, who later was given a seat on GlaxoSmithKline’s board of directors. A coincidence???

          • Stacy Garinger

            I honestly don’t really care about any of the media BS I care that everyone thought that MMR vaccine caused vaccines. I actually blame a B rated actress jenny McCarthy if you want to know the truth and I know that once it came out it was not true MMR caused autism the doctor lost his medical license

          • Stacy Garinger

            sorry caused autism not vaccines

          • Bjorn Fowler

            There’s an edit feature

          • AutismDad

            You are posting nonsense. Jenny blamed vaccines and worked hard to tell parents while healing her son. Nothing wrong with either. Wakefield’s story had zero connection. And where you conclude it was PROVEN is beyond understanding because it hasn’t been. If you read the bogus studies and could comprehend them you’d know they are worthless.

          • Stacy Garinger

            yeah well except it’s impossible to “cure” autism which basically means her son probably didn’t have autism in the first place and second of all she publicly came to his defense even after it was probed his Lancet paper in 1998 was a fraud thus him losing his license which he has not been vindicated for even according this article which I wound out this was satire and not real. jenny went all over America claiming vaccines gave her son autism. She used her fame to scare the crap out of american and thus they stopped giving vaccines. and now thanks to that children are getting very sick and getting other kids sick.

          • AutismDad

            Your specialty is blah blah. Jenny raised awareness of the safety issues of many if not all vaccines. She’s a warrior mom. Have you heard of the National Vaccine Injury Compensatio Plan (USA)? Or did Wakefield/ Jenny create it to frighten parents too?

          • Stacy Garinger

            I really could say the same thing about your blah blah blah You are so full of it. Andrew Wakefield Confessed that he lied that’s why he lost his license and why he should not be vindicated. they have successfully proven that MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism and your child got it from some other reason and none of us know why. Nobody knows what causes autism except they know it’s not from vaccines. period……and i pretty much asked you to PLEASE stop writing me. you are rude and disrespectful.. I have an opinion just like you do what makes mine so wrong and yours so right. we just have opinions that’s all. and we are entitled to it. I just think you are pissed and looking for an explanation for your situation. there is none. deal with it. I work the adult disabled community for my whole career. I’ve dedicated my life to taking care of them and love them. I get it. I don’t like it either. Now stop writing me I really don’t want to talk to you anymore.

          • MisterLiteral

            So you are going to praise Jenny McCarthy for raising awareness of the ‘toxins in vaccines,’ and completely ignore the fact that she has repeatedly, and voluntarily, injected Botox into her own body which is known to be one of the most toxic chemicals ever. She has also done advertising campaigns for e-cigs, and you don’t find any problems with taking medical advice from her. Are you serious?

            I think you are just trolling, because no one can possibly be this dumb and blatantly hypocritical.

          • AutismDad

            Oh so you are a mind reader? And in regard to being blatantly hypocritical, save that for those who claim vaccine ingredients thimerosal and aluminum are beneficial to babies. There’s some SCIENCE from researchers like Paul Offit.

          • AutismDad

            Typical Troll with no profile. Nice fake hair too.

          • MisterLiteral

            So your argument is so weak, you have to result to personal attacks.

            I’m not a troll. I’m a responsible father that understands the importance of having your children properly vaccinated.

          • AutismDad

            Oddly thats one definition of a Troll.

          • AutismDad

            No I just enjoy personal attacks.

          • MisterLiteral

            Which only makes you appear as simple-minded to other people. Good luck with that.

          • AutismDad

            No sense of humour? I guess you take the maiming and killing of babies seriously.

          • MisterLiteral

            That’s something I take very seriously, which is why vaccinations are so important; to prevent babies and children from dying needlessly.

            You on the other hand are pro-disease. You love to have diseases come and kill innocent children, which is why you’re so vocal about all this.

            Why do you hate children?

          • Stacy Garinger

            MisterLiteral don’t waste you time talking to that fiend AutismDad he’s just a victim. He’s blaming and shaming and has nothing important to say. good try though. I agree with you 100%

          • Bjorn Fowler

            “it comes to vaccines causing vaccinations.”
            Autism you mean.

            Side note he only claimed MMR caused autism.
            He also patented a measles vaccine in 1997, one year before making the claim.

            If he wasn’t proven wrong and discredited, he was set to make a fortune. He was directly attempting to remove the vaccine that covered multiple diseases.

          • Stacy Garinger

            except that it’s been proven that vaccines don’t cause autism and he confessed to lying and that’s why he lost his license I’m not sure what you are trying to say in your comment maybe I’m reading it wrong. if this was about money and fortune then even more reason to not vindicate him.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            I said he was proven wrong, just pointed out he was bashing a vaccine so he’d profit off a scare

          • AutismDad

            Wakefield did not claim that you clueless troll.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Then why is his book (of lies) titled “Callous Disregard: Autism and Vaccines: The Truth Behind a Tragedy.”

          • AutismDad

            Ask him stooge. How would I know/

          • sabelmouse

            he didn’t claim that the mmr caused autism.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            He attempted and succeeded to start an MMR scare using altered data to make it look like a link was present. When asked to replicate it by the royal free hospital, he didn’t. This lead to him being asked to leave.

            He didn’t outright state it in the paper, but it’s what he tried to convince people of.

          • sabelmouse

            lol! hilarious! what’s the name of that alternate planet that you’re on?

          • AutismDad

            Lying shill bot

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Still no argument to refute me.

          • Stacy Garinger

            yes he did and then admitted he lied and then lost his medical license… where have you been?

          • sabelmouse

            informing myself properly.

          • sabelmouse

            it wasn’t proven at all. the opposite was.

          • Stacy Garinger

            and I assume from that statement that you are an anti-vaxxer, what a shame please keep your unvaxxed kids away from mine thank you very much. You seem to act like you actually know what the hell you are talking about when clearly you do not. good luck when your kid dies or get’s extremely ill of a measles outbreak or any other wiped out disease that killed thousands just try real hard not to feel guilty when you pass it on to some poor unsuspecting kid you almost killed.

          • Stacy Garinger

            and if your child has autism I am really sorry. i take care of adults and children with disabilities for my job and I get it. but they didn’t get it from vaccinations sorry

          • AutismDad

            My child is vaccine damaged. If I could turn back time I could save him from suffering brain damage that prevents him from talking. He’ll never experience real life. Your cold hearted nature is perfectly suited to ignoring the victims of vaccine injury. You’d make a great vaccine maker.

          • Stacy Garinger

            NO bad language here sir. also I am not an unintelligent woman. I actually did tremendous research. And so did thousands of scientists I will ask you again to stop writing me you are boring me to tears I’m terribly sorry about your child but vaccines did not do that to him. sorry. please stop writing me

          • AutismDad

            Afraid you might learn the truth?

          • Stacy Garinger

            I’m not afraid of anything

          • AutismDad

            NOTHING is more boring than posts from a poorly informed type like you. Its pure SPAMOLA

          • Stacy Garinger

            one could say the exact same thing about you. You are basically denying my right to my own opinion cause you don’t agree with it… too bad really. You have yours I have mine. so be it

          • Stacy Garinger

            NO bad language here sir. also I am not an unintelligent woman. I actually did tremendous research. And so did thousands of scientists I will ask you again to stop writing me you are boring me to tears I’m terribly sorry about your child but vaccines did not do that to him. sorry. please stop writing me

          • Peter Foster

            There are some vary rare cases of vaccine injury but those do not include autism. If your child has autism it was not caused by any vaccine as no vaccines have ever been shown to cause autism. You appear to be very poorly informed or have been duped by the antivax conspiracy nuts.

            What is the actual medical diagnosis (from a real qualified medical doctor) for your child’s condition?
            Most cases of autism are genetic, so if it is autism it is probably down to what your child inherited from you and your wife. If that is the case I would suspect that you both may be on the autistic spectrum.

          • AutismDad

            Thanks for clarifying you don’t know F-ALL. Your ignorance wafts off the page stooge.

          • Stacy Garinger

            thank you Peter Foster!!! I agree 100% it’s also possible autism is caused by environmental issues. don’t listen to AutismDad he’s just looking for someone to blame for his child’s condition. It’s normal. I feel for him I do. I feel for anyone who has a child with disabilities but I stand by my pro vax opinion.

          • Stacy Garinger

            I’m very sorry for what you are going through it’s awful… you are about one in 100 million which still states that vaccinating is always a good idea. the good far outweighs the bad. I am not a doctor and have no desire to make a vaccine… I just have an opinion about vaccines and stand by it same as you stand by yours. Keep up the work I hope it’s effective for you.

          • AutismDad

            Stacy and most P-Vacs are perplexed by most things. We call them Sheeple.

          • MisterLiteral

            There is no such thing as “P-Vacs”; you may refer to us as normal and responsible parents.

            And I saw that “Sheeple” comment coming a mile away. You Pro-Diseasers are all the same.

          • AutismDad

            I tried that once, now my son has autism, can’t talk and has seizures.

          • MisterLiteral

            I’m sorry for your son’s condition, but it was most certainly NOT caused by vaccines.

          • AutismDad

            Up yours. You have ZERO evidence so shut your pie hole clown.

          • MisterLiteral

            Actually, you have ZERO evidence.

            However, there is plenty of evidence that shows there is no link between autism and vaccines. Over 107 different studies actually…

            Now you shut your pie hole.

          • AutismDad

            Wrong. Bogus studies with conclusions based on the lead researcher’s opinion. Only fools read studies and call them a form of proof.

          • Peter Foster

            No vaccine ever caused autism, the MMR vaccine does help prevent some cases.
            If your kid is autistic it is most likely down to genetics.

          • AutismDad

            Thanks DR DUH

          • MisterLiteral

            “Only fools read studies and call them a form of proof.”
            Isn’t that exactly what you are doing? Or have you actually conducted clinical scientific tests of immunology in a certified lab?

            My guess is no. You just read conspiracy theory websites, and natural-mommy-blogs, and then think you’re the smartest person in the world.

            In reality, you are dumb as rocks. You probably know it, but are denying that too.

          • AutismDad

            Nope. We want a proper investigation and confession of the crimes perpetrated on our innocent children. Since you aren’t a victim you don’t care. No empathy, sympathy, compassion. Congratulations you’re a sociopath.

          • MisterLiteral

            so·ci·o·path
            ˈsōsēōˌpaTH/
            noun
            a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

            Let’s see… The definition of sociopath has you pegged. Thanks for using that word, because it describes you perfectly.

          • AutismDad

            clap clap you’re a hero

          • Stacy Garinger

            clap clap you’re an idiot

          • AutismDad

            quit stalking me.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/mtmpph/bill_to_toughen_maines_vaccine_opt_out_policy_moves_forward/#comment-2078446097

            He’s a troll, he likely doesn’t have a child and once claimed to not be anti-vaxx. Very easy to prove a liar and troll.

          • sabelmouse

            of course it wasn’t shared,other than in a ”look how stupid” way. you can see the ,badly done and clumsy, ”satire” a mile off.

        • sabelmouse

          thanks for making clear that you are misinformed on everything.

          • Stacy Garinger

            what are you talking about I’m not misinformed about anything.

          • sabelmouse

            ok!

          • Stacy Garinger

            how are you so informed? so I am NOT but you are? are you a doctor? do you have a degree? are you a scientist if not let’s just agree to disagree…. thanks

          • sabelmouse

            it’s clear by you’re comments that you just barely skimmed the top of the first google page on whatever you comment on.

          • AutismDad

            snicker

          • AutismDad

            She sure is.

    • AutismDad

      Thanks for the DUH MOMENT

    • AutismDad

      You are completely clueless Stacy. You need to read about Wakefield by listening to his explanation. You Tube

      • MisterLiteral

        I am sure that you are completely unaware of this little bit of factual information:

        During the time that Wakefield was being paid over £400,000 to do his fraudulent study in order to undermine the MMR vaccine by lawyers that were trying to sue vaccine makers for a large payout, and had no scientific evidence to support their case…

        Wakefield had also applied for two separate patents on vaccines that seperated the MMR vaccine into two doses. Wakefield was trying to contend that it wasn’t the MMR vaccine itself that was the problem, but the combination of the Measles and Mumps combined together. He was trying to make millions (maybe billions) for himself by having the Measles and Mumps vaccines separated. It wasn’t until after he was exposed as a fraud that he started saying all vaccines are unsafe.

        The very foundation of your beliefs on vaccines is based on corruption and greed. How ironic that AV’ers like you cry about those exact same things every time you try to make your weak arguments.

        But then again, for you and other anti-vaxxers, ignoring facts is par for the course.

        • AutismDad

          So where are Wakefield’s inventions, patents and riches then? Do you think he couldn’t get $$ backing from vaccine makers OR sell his sure fire invention to them? And the money he received from lawyers was a pay for service. WOW is that EVER UNUSUAL!!! Getting paid for his expertise?? What kind of person takes money for services rendered? Oh so Wakefield had the means to take advantage of a separated MMR? Explain that as you apply your clown makeup.

          • MisterLiteral

            Wakefield is plenty rich, funded by fringe-wacko anti-vaxxers like yourself, who have named him a martyr and the sacrificial lamb of ‘Big Pharma’. You lack the ability to determine bullshit from fact, which is why we are in this whole mess in the first place. Wakefield applied for the patents; his patents were denied because they we based on bullshit claims.

            Did you know that Wakefield’s study (I use that term lightly in this case), was based off of blood samples taken from 12 children at a birthday party? Did you know that the parents didn’t even know he was taking their blood samples? Did you know that Wakefield’s observations (another term I use lightly in this case) were based on vague personal accounts and testimonies that are more-often-than-not unreliable? Did you know that his study was not based on any kind of statistics? I’m sure this is all new information to you.

            It takes a complete idiot to not see the conflict of interest going on here.

            Apply my clown makeup? Seriously? That’s the best you could do?

          • AutismDad

            I call bullshit on your facts, so you are incorrect that I can’t do it.

          • MisterLiteral

            Giving up already? It’s because you have nothing to go on… just conspiracy theories.

          • Peter Foster

            I think from reading your comments that you are seriously delusional, to the point that nothing you say can be trusted.
            I doubt you have an autistic child or are even a father.

          • AutismDad

            You seem to be mistaking me for someone who cares what your opinion is. Just to clarify….I don’t.

          • Peter Foster

            That is fine kid, no need for you to get worked up about it, you are an irrelevance. I do stand by my statement that I doubt you have an autistic child or are anything more than a child yourself. This is just an observation and is not intended as an insult.

          • AutismDad

            Shows how clueless you are.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Or even an adult

          • AutismDad

            I guess you don’t know who Brian Deer is and that he was hired to ruin Wakefield et al by James Murdoch. After Deer “CREATED” a case, James Murdoch received a position on the board of governors of GlaxoSmithKline, whose MMR was being criticized. As for complete idiots not seeing conflict of interest you have me beaten by miles.

          • MisterLiteral

            What’s it like to make up your own “facts”? Not a single thing you have posted is based on any sort of reality. You are simply perpetuating flat-out lies.

          • AutismDad

            That explains why you have ZERO credibility and are here to just bother those of us who are victims. is that why you are in disguise in that Photo Dr Offit?

          • MisterLiteral

            You are still making zero sense… I am a real person; not a troll, not a shill, not a bot, not someone posing to be someone else.

            You are delusional! Do you really think you’re that important that some company would waste this much time and energy on you and your ridiculous notions? Wow, you’re even more of a loony than I originally thought.

            Get off the internet and go take care of your kid.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            He IS a kid.

          • MisterLiteral

            Thank you for pointing this out to me. I should have seen it coming simply by reading his childish posts. I’ll stop responding to him.

          • MisterLiteral

            So you go through life as a victim? That is sad. Stop being a victim, and try to make the life of your son better. Stop reading conspiracy websites, and go be a responsible parent.

            You are just looking for someone or something to blame for your son’s autism, because you can’t come to grips with the reality that he was born with autism and there was nothing you could have done to prevent it.

            Stop being a victim. Stop trying to blame someone else for you child not turning out the way you wanted him to. I mean that with all sincerity.

          • AutismDad

            Het Mr Idea how do I turn back time and NOT vaccinate my child?

          • MisterLiteral

            There you go, playing the victim card again…

          • AutismDad

            I’m not playing. I guess you have never been victimized. Get out the dictionary.

          • Stacy Garinger

            YOU CAN’T… SO LEAVE IT AT THAT… YOU CAN’T TURN BACK THE CLOCK… YOU ARE A VICTIM AND ACTING LIKE ONE. NOT A GOOD IDEA… GROW UP GET A PAIR AND DEAL WITH YOUR SHIT

          • AutismDad

            I’ll grow a pair if you do.

          • Stacy Garinger

            You don’t have a pair you are just a victim…. VICTIM now shut the F&$# up please

          • Stacy Garinger

            I probably have a bigger pair than you. You are shameless

          • AutismDad

            Do all your post have to be vulgar? Remember you are highly educated and know everything. You should know how to be a lady then.

          • Stacy Garinger

            Mr AutismDad my potty mouth has nothing to do with my intelligence I am just sooooo sick of your mouth and your ignorance and your complete and utter denial.Not to mention your complete and utter victim mentality.. I am feeling since you refuse to leave me alone and stop writing me I have no choice but to tell you to fuck off and shut your mouth for once. so fuck off thank you very much. and please just zip it. have a nice day 🙂 (is that more lady like for you?)
            Subject: Re: Comment on Andrew Wakefield finally vindicated

          • AutismDad

            snicker

          • sabelmouse

            i know!

          • AutismDad

            Can you believe this foul mouthed “intelligent” person? She is so juvenile and rude. I hope she’s lying about working with people with disabilities. I can’t imagine she wouldn’t show her true colors and swear at them.

          • sabelmouse

            she said that she’s working with people with disabilities?oh dear, doesn’t want her income endangered 😉

          • AutismDad

            Theres NO WAY she become a princess at work. She is vile and if I knew where she worked I’d consider calling it and warning them.

          • sabelmouse

            unless she saves it all for the internet.

          • Stacy Garinger

            Don’t even bother with AutismDad he’s just a victim and has no information that’s worth listening to… ugh so done with him

          • Stacy Garinger

            That’s exactly it AutismDad you are a victim that’s all you are… .why don’t you spend all this energy you are being a dick and focus on what you can do more for your kid… treatment and any special needs and deal with the fact that you have a child with disabilities. MMR did not cause you kids’ autism and that’s the end of it. so get back to reality and deal with your shit. I can give you some tips on how to do it i am highly qualified in this area… let me know

          • AutismDad

            You? Highly qualified? You express yourself like a bloody idiot, so don’t offer me advice.

          • Stacy Garinger

            Ok AutismDad I’ve had enough of your victim mentality, your feeling sorry for yourself, your blaming, your shaming. I asked you 3 times to stop writing me I’m done with you. I am NO idiot I assure you. I do extreme research and educate myself and I listen to doctors so tell me your a doctor and I will listen to you too but I don’t think you are so please shut your pie hole. I’m sick of it. seriously stop replying to me and I will do the same. goodbye hopefully forever. I feel sorry for your child with disabilities because you really seem not to be able to focus cause you are wasting so much time focusing on BULLSHIT. Don’t call me an idiot until you get to know me and proof you have no idea how smart I am. and don’t write me again

          • Stacy Garinger

            And yes I’m highly qualified working with all children and adults with disabilities for over 20 years. it’s what I’ve dedicated my life to. on that note I focus on them and not all this crap. They deserve my attention and focus.and who cares why. they just do… so shut if for once and focus on something more important.

          • Stacy Garinger

            Don’t even waste your time with AutismDad he’s just a pathetic feel sorry for himself blaming, shaming asshole. I won’t converse with him anymore i wish there was a way to block him I’ve heard way too much already.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            “So where are Wakefield’s inventions, patents and riches then?”

            Here it is. In Andrew Wakefields name.
            Applied for 1 year before the lancet paper.

            https://www.google.co.nz/patents/CA2328503A1?cl=en&dq=Pharmaceutical+composition+containing+transfer+factor+for+treatment+of+inflammatory+bowel+disease+and+regressive+behavioural+disorder&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3cKMVZ32LoXu8gW13IHAAw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ

            First paragraph
            “The present invention relates to a new vaccine/immunisation for the prevention and/or prophylaxis against measles virus infection and to a pharmaceutical or therapeutic composition for the treatment of IBD(Inflammatory Bowel Disease); particularly Crohn’s Disease and Ulcerative Colitis and regressive behavioural disease (RBD)(also referred to as “Regressive Developmental Disorder”).”

            So you’re saying that a patent for a single measles vaccine is not a conflict of interest when you then start saying the direct competition causes autism?
            If he succeeded he’d have made millions.

          • AutismDad

            You are clueless Fowler.. If he actually had a viable vaccine he still could have found backing. But you science worshippers are so braindead you think every hypothesis is or can become a reality. No wonder you clowns think there are studies PROVING no connection. I am fortunate to have a logical mind. You have shit4brains.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            You, a logical mind? That’s funny

            “If he actually had a viable vaccine he still could have found backing.” Never said he didn’t, just that he had a financial conflict of interest, great jump in logic there Mr Logical Mind.

            “But you science worshippers are so braindead you think every hypothesis is or can become a reality.”
            Which is exactly why we “Science Worshippers” reject the vaccination causes autism hypothesis. Going strong with the logic there, Mr Logical Mind.

            “No wonder you clowns think there are studies PROVING no connection.”
            There are plenty of studies giving very strong evidence that there is no connection, yet I have yet to see a credible study showing the opposite. It’s a logical fallacy to put the burden of proof as “you need to prove it doesn’t exist”
            It followed the same logic as “A teddy was claimed to float around the sun. Because noone could disprove the teddy’s existence, there is a teddy floating around the sun.
            Therefore a paper would need to be published showing a connection.
            You got one for us Mr Logical Mind?

            You made 3 statements, all of which had major logical flaws. Great going Mr Logical Mind. Anymore shining jewels of wisdom which further show exactly how stupid you are?

          • AutismDad

            You don’t matter Fowler. You’re a clueless pro-vac baffoon.

          • Peter Foster

            The evidence is that vaccines do not cause autism.
            The evidence is that autism is largely genetic, in any case it is something that happens to the developing brain prior to birth.
            I would just like to point out to you that as your beliefs that autism is caused by vaccines are not supported by evidence and your beliefs are therefore of no relevance and should be disregarded.
            Your obsession with this discredited idea(which was originally fabricated as part of a legal scam) and other does tent to indicate that you are on the autistic spectrum yourself.
            You appear to fall for any anti vaccine conspiracy idiocy and have no clue about the working of vaccines.
            This shows that you clearly lack critical thinking skills. This lack on your part may be due to poor education, or maybe you simply lack the intelligence to understand the facts. Having read some of your comments I would go with you being both ignorant, stupid and irrelevant.
            However if your problem is simple ignorance and not total stupidity it may be possible to correct your fallacious thinking.
            I would recommend that you read The Panic Virus: The True Story Behind the Vaccine-Autism Controversy by Seth Mnookin
            http://sethmnookin.com/the-panic-virus/

            Another informative book is
            Autism’s False Prophets
            Bad Science, Risky Medicine, and the Search for a Cure by Paul Offit

            http://paul-offit.com/books/

          • AutismDad

            Broken record

          • Peter Foster

            I am glad that you recognise that you sound like a broken record, with your idiotic repetitions of long discredited nonsense. You really are very tiresome, your obsessive behaviour does I think indicate that you are on the spectrum yourself.That is the trouble you lack the self awareness to recognise that you are wrong, you need to be less single minded in your delusional obsession, try and become more open minded, like me. If I was wrong I would admit it and move on. Your problem is that you are fixated on trying to blame your sons autism on someone else(if indeed you really do have an autistic son).
            You need to accept that autism is mainly genetic and your sons autism is probably a result of your and your partners genetics. Your attempt to find blame where none exists is not good for your mental health.

          • AutismDad

            the Vaccine Spectrum Disorder.

          • Peter Foster

            You see it idiot comments like that that make you ignorant nutters the objects of ridicule that you are. I do realise that as you are clearly on the autistic spectrum that you lack self awareness.

          • AutismDad

            No the nutter is you. Making statements about who I am and what I think is ludicrous. You have made zero statements that are correct. I bet you failed recess.

          • Peter Foster

            Please do not be insulting. I have not insulted you even though you are a morally and intelectually bankrupt idiot that I view with contempt.. You do not have the self awareness to recognise how pathetic you are in constantly playing the victim: “OH poor me, my son is autistic, it could not be anything to do with me, or just bad luck I must find something to blame, I want people to feel sorry for how bad life has treated me.”
            Why don’t you just man up, face reality and get over it you worthless excuse for a human, you are not fit to be a parent.
            Again no insult is intended or implied in my comment and I have at all times treated you with the respect you deserve.

            I find it tiresome responding to someone like you who is unwilling to accept my advice so I will not bother to respond to you again and you can continue to wallow in your self pity..

          • AutismDad

            POS alert AKA Foster

          • AutismDad

            Pretty brave aren’t you? Too bad we can’t arrange a get together so I could practice a little street justice.

          • sabelmouse

            i think this person might be delusional.

          • AutismDad

            To put it mildly.

          • sabelmouse

            you did indeed insult. and you’re doing it now, so much so that i’m flagging you.
            nobody is forcing you to post and nobody wants your advice. why would people who’ve been researching this for decades want YOUR advise?
            to call yo ill informed is putting it very mildly.

          • sabelmouse

            except that it isn’t and you must accept THAT!

          • AutismDad

            Wrong Mr media fed. Gene studies show a minor number of inherited genes that MAY cause autism. Most autism is the regressive/ spontaneous type that shows NO INHERITABILITY.

          • Peter Foster

            I would have thought that someone with your supposed interest in the causes of autism would keep up with the latest research. Of course as a rather dim conspiracy nut with a closed mind you have no interest in anything that may conflict with your own fixed ideas.
            You should try to be more open-minded like me.

            Has your alleged sons alleged autism actually been medically confirmed by real doctors or is it something that some alternative practitioner told you?

          • AutismDad

            Tell us the latest research. Comedy Central

          • mud

            There is absolutely no evidence that vaccines don’t cause autism. On one side there are pharmaceutical funded studies that haven’t been able to find a connection. This is not evidence or definitive proof that vaccines don’t cause autism. You let mainstream media’s spin influence your sentiment. All you have to do is stop and think about what they are saying. “did another study and we still couldn’t find a connection” This isn’t proof there isn’t a connection you dumbasses! On the other side, there is a growing body of evidence with studies numbering over 100 now showing a connection between vaccines and autism. Most of you people are emotionally attached to what you think is factual, that a vaccine stops a horrible disease. Fact is, whilst majority are mild, self limiting diseases in the western world, you have succumbed to fear mongering and propaganda yourselves so much that you want your vaccines. You have also admitted freely on this forum, which is the epitome of pro vaxer psyche, that you simply will not look at something which is not to your taste. So then you have the audacity to condemn and ostracize those that question vaccine safety because you have been programmed to do so. Show some respect to this man here that obviously witnessed a sudden spiral of his healthy child into the brain damaged state with a diagnosis of autism soon after.

          • Peter Foster

            I am showing him all the respect he deserves.
            It is unfortunate that he is obsessed with an erroneous belief in a discredited idea that was really a scam by a crooked doctor.

            There have been many studies on many thousands of children and no link between vaccines and autism has ever been found. That story is dead, it is finished, not worth further consideration. Autism is something that children are born with, its causes are mainly genetic.

            Vaccines do save lives that is a fact, they do not cause autism. The diseases that we vaccinate against cause considerable morbidity and mortality, It is the right of children to be vaccinated on schedule, this should be irrespective of their parents beliefs, it is the child’s health that is important.

            As a moderate and reasonable person I consider that those that claim against all the evidence that vaccines are dangerous deserve to be shamed, derided and ridiculed, they are dangerous, delusional sociopathic liars that lack any shred of empathy for people they share the planet with. They are a threat to public health.

          • Stacy Garinger

            Well said. please don’t listen to word autismdad says he’s angry and bitter, blaming and shaming and a complete victim it’s so obvious. I have heard enough of him to last a lifetime and i don’t want to engage any further.

          • Peter Foster

            I will not bother to reply to either autisticdad or the mouse one, they are both tiresome,abusive, wilfully ignorant fools, closed minded unwilling to learn. I do not think it is possible to help or educate them, best just to let them fester in their own delusional ignorance.

          • Mike Stevens

            “There is absolutely no evidence that **** don’t cause autism.”

            **** Insert random word of your choice here, such as sunshine, watermelons, diapers or having a granny with blonde hair.

          • sabelmouse

            ”The evidence is that vaccines do not cause autism.The evidence is that autism is largely genetic” doesn’t exist. offit the proffit???

          • Stacy Garinger

            why do you always “go there?” to cruelty and disrespect? everyone has an opinion ESPECIALLY you. so why can’t we/they? Just shut it for once would you? leave us be and do your own thing. I will NEVER change my opinion so there

          • AutismDad

            Stop writing me. All you do is complain about my opinion.

          • Stacy Garinger

            I really think there is something seriously wrong you crazy man!!! I asked you myself to stop writing me 3 times and you refused to stop and now you are telling ME to stop Jesus your nuts. AND I am NOT complaining about your opinion at all. You are entitled to yours and I am to mine that’s ALL I was saying.

          • Stacy Garinger

            my whole entire complaint about you was how cruel and disrespectful you have been to those who don’t share your opinion. I want us to all have ours… so you have yours and I’ll have mine but now we are done talking

          • Bjorn Fowler

            So says Mr Logical Mind, with yet another statement to avoid actually giving an argument

          • AutismDad

            describe the “strong evidence”

          • Bjorn Fowler

            I’ve sent you many peer-reviewed papers before, but because you’re an idiot you didn’t bother to read them and then claimed they had no credibility, why waste my time reposting them for you?

          • AutismDad

            Exactly. Why post rubbish in the first place? If you weren’t such a dufus you’d know they are basically worthless, but instead your addiction to blind faith in “science” make it impossible for you to discriminate between reality and your false God.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            If it was one paper claiming vaccine didn’t and the papers that said it did then maybe your argument would have merit. but since it’s not the case, you’re just a delusional idiot and troll

          • AutismDad

            No I’m a long time student of the issue and I’ve never read any convincing evidence. You are easily conned and your blind faith in science is ridiculous. You and other pro-vac trolls seem to think the parents of victims haven’t read as much as possible and both sides. We wouldn’t mind being shown we are wrong but we haven’t been. What you think is evidence is crapola. Science and researchers have failed at every turn. They can’t perfect vaccines and are harming consumers. their explanations are not viable or valid aka a “coincidence”. VAERS and NVICP prove vaccines maim and kill. Autism is just another adverse effect.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Then where is the evidence of this you refuse to provide? You have no position to criticise my sources without a logical reasoning and source of your own

          • AutismDad

            Why is that? I can criticize anyone or anything without a background in it. I’m criticizing scientific method and I’ve explained why. The method is faulty and fraudulent.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            That’s not an explanation. You gave no reason as to why you conclude that about the method, though it’s clear the reason is because the papers finding go against your stupid anti-vaxx beliefs

          • AutismDad

            Try growing up.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Says the child.

          • AutismDad

            wrong Fowler. Making statements using vague words like possibly, suggests, may support etc is not the language of proof. But all your science does it. There is NONE that have proven or stated they have proven no connection. All they say are “in our research we found no evidence of a connection”. Especially the revisiting of old studies that also found no link so why review them, other than to con the public. Its quite easy to find no connection if that is your quest.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Furthermore, there were studies that stated that strong evidence AGAINST the autism vaccine hypothesis was found. Guess you just ignored that huh?

            By the way, you seem to misunderstand the burden of proof.
            You need to prove there IS a correlation, not the other way around, and no one has legitimately done so.
            Example. prove that if you drop an apple an infinite number of times that it will ALWAYS land on the ground. You can’t. You can only disprove it. But until it’s disproven, you state the apple can’t fall up. Therefore, someone needs to show a correlation between vaccines and autism before you start saying it’s a cause. How is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

            “Especially the revisiting of old studies that also found no link so why review them, other than to con the public.”
            It’s called a meta-study. It increases the sample size and

          • AutismDad

            Wow we’ll need a BULL dozer in aisle 3. I can’t even respond to that babble, its meaningless.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            That’s only because you’re dumb as a rock

          • AutismDad

            Try making comments readable baboon

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Seems 8 words is a bit much for you.

          • AutismDad

            Yea the vague but mighty “Strong Evidence”….blah blah

          • Bjorn Fowler

            They’re not vague at all, take a group of autistic kids, a group of non-autistic kids, then separate them into groups that have received MMR vaccine or have not.
            The proportions (percentages) of vaccinated children would be far greater if the anti-vac hypothesis was true. It’s very straight forward and blunt.

            Guess what, they weren’t. The results are consistent with the results of other studies.

            You only find it vague because you have the IQ of a potato.

          • Please do not insult potatoes.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            My apologies, you’re right, potatoes walk circles around him.

          • AutismDad

            Get real Fowler. If you think its as simple as saying because a vaccinated group isn’t harmed by vaccines its proof, you make a potato look like a Nobel Prize winner. Genetic or some other suseptability exists and Vaccines exacerbate it you ilogical stooge. Its why all children aren’t harmed. Focus needs to be on those harmed not those who by the Grace of God aren’t.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            It’s the relative risk ratio. In other words the studies directly measure the odds you will get autism based on whether or not you are vaccinated

          • AutismDad

            That’s what I call relative crapola. You are either harmed in some way or not. What they do is simply deny a connection for everything they know is caused by vacs and claim there is no evidence.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            “That’s what I call relative crapola. You are either harmed in some way or not.”
            so then you’re saying EVERY vaccinated person is harmed? then it would be a high relative risk. But the odds of being autistic were the same whether or not they were vaccinated meaning that the vaccine didn’t harm the recipient.

            It’s not a hard concept kid.

          • AutismDad

            Not all become autistic. Some ADD, ADHD, SIDS death etc Wise up Mr Potatoe Head

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Potatoe is not a word. Got any studies showing correlations to these diseases

          • AutismDad

            It must be hard for you because your explanation is rubbish

          • Bjorn Fowler

            My explanation is fine, you’re the trash since you can’t understand the simplest of things.

          • AutismDad

            Then why can’t I understand your LESS THAN simple rubbish?

          • Bjorn Fowler

            it’s very simple, you’re just stupid

          • AutismDad

            I don’t think so. Must be you.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            no, you’re just too stupid to realize it’s simple

          • AutismDad

            its you who is simple

          • Bjorn Fowler

            become scientifically literate, then say that.

          • AutismDad

            Science has some merit, but most is wishful thinking. Vaccine science is dangerous and carried out by questionable people and organizations.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            No it is not. Give the proof it’s dangerous.

          • AutismDad

            Clown. National Vaccine Injury Compensation Plan. Do you comprehend?

          • Bjorn Fowler

            AGAIN, A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM IS NOT PROOF.
            NO EXPERIMENTS, NO DATA, NO REASONING.

            THERE’S NO PROOF THAT THOSE CLAIMING TO NEED COMPENSATION WERE HARMED BY VACCINES.

            HOW F&%KING DUMB ARE YOU?!

          • AutismDad

            No how fawking dumb are you? Its vaccine injury as real and raw as you can get. Why would anyone do a study or research? But there is data stooge, pleanty of data.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Oh look, this paranoid mum claims her child was harmed by vaccines and walks away with 1000$

            “Why would anyone do a study or research?”
            Did you seriously just ask this dumb question?
            You do research and studies to confirm (Or in this case repeatedly disprove) harm linked to vaccines

          • AutismDad

            What would DANGEROUS mean clod? What are these forums about? What has been said and what information provided? You must be deaf, dumb and blind.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            “What would DANGEROUS mean clod?”
            Dunno, you’re the one making the claim dips**t

            still waiting on that proof

            “What are these forums about? What has been said and what information provided?”
            what has been said are nothing more than baseless accusations against vaccines without any studies to back it up.

            give proof

          • AutismDad

            Is you bottom lip sticking out?

          • AutismDad

            Fowler, the dud on Spudd

          • Bjorn Fowler

            “We wouldn’t mind being shown we are wrong but we haven’t been. ”
            You have. Repeatedly. You just stick your head in the sand.

            “VAERS and NVICP prove vaccines maim and kill. Autism is just another adverse effect.”
            That’s not proof at all. So the US government set up a program to appease idiots like you. There’s no research there.

          • AutismDad

            Nice clown act. At least my head isn’t so far up my butt like yours that I can get a true grasp of the issue. The U.S. set it up to appease vac makers nimrod.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            ” I can get a true grasp of the issue”
            The fact you deny multiple studies in favour of Wakefield’s fraudulent paper with no respectable source showing evidence vaccines are not safe shows you don’t.

          • AutismDad

            Show me ANYWHERE where I have praised his paper. I have said that it IS NOT a vaccine study and was NEVER entended to be. Its the moron club who keeps saying it was.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Then where are you getting the vaccines cause autism BS. He’s the one who started the whole thing. He set up a press conference to state that he believed MMR caused autism and he DID include it in his paper (regardless of what the study was actually for).

          • AutismDad

            Wrong as usual Fowler. British media created the hype. You do little but parrot the media stories including WRITER Brian Deer. Wakefield NEVER stated vaccines cause autism. The basis for that concern comes from parental reports.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            I’m not wrong at all, he did set up a press conference, he did say to the media he thought MMR was linked to autism. Wakefield aside, vaccines do not cause autism

          • AutismDad

            He never said that. He explained his findings and suggested several things. I’m not sure if he was answering questions or making a statement. I’m going to see if its posted to You Tube. But he NEVER said MMR causes autism. His was more a correlation based on parental reports and other factors. The British Press, who are bastards, twisted what he said and cause a bloomin uproar.

          • AutismDad

            The BS I get from imitating pro-vacs

          • AutismDad

            Plus, I asked you to DESCRIBE “strong evidence” not provide vague, junk science. If you say they are proof there must be statements/ evidence that can be isolated, measured and challenged. All you do is parrot and claim SCIENCE is the be all and end all of everything.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            How can you call it vague juck if you didn’t even read it?

            but fine

            Vaccine. 2014 Jun 17;32(29):3623-9. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2014.04.085. Epub 2014 May 9.
            Vaccines are not associated with autism: an evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies.
            Taylor LE1, Swerdfeger AL1, Eslick GD2.

            This paper analyses 5 cohort studies and 5 case control studies.
            The cohort study analysis involves 1, 256, 407 children and followed them up for a period of time (varies since it’s 5 studies, the average is 8 years ranging from 5-11 years) to see if they develop autism. By using a control group to determine the risk of developing autism without the MMR vaccine and a group with the vaccine, the studies found that both groups had equal chance of autism

            The case control study are used when children with autism were brought in and they separate them into vaccinated and non-vaccinated groups.
            The results found was that the odds ratio was ~1, meaning of the autistic children the chance they were vaccinated was the same as being none vaccinated.

            There is reproducible evidence/statements on a large scale right there.

          • AutismDad

            I’ve read many studies. Can’t even say how many. The one you provide isn’t proof VACCINES cause autism because it only follows MMR under strict conditions. I don’t believe there was a nonvaccinated group, because I read this or a similar study and they considered one vaccine recipients to be in the unvaccinated group. The most ridiculous thing is following children for 5 to 11 years. What for? Autism hits by 3 years of age. So filtering in data for 11 years makes no sense and is a red flag that it may be a smoke screen.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            The one I provide is an analysis of MULTIPLE studies.
            And the following 5 to 11 years would makes no difference to the results. Once autism has hit, it’s for life. it shows they either got it or they did not.

            One thing I did not mention is the studies tested dosage and thimerosol.

            They still found no correlation.

            Ignoring that, how can you say vaccines cause autism if there is no study showing it does.

            That’s the same logic as saying unicorns exist because no one can prove they don’t.

            Show some damn common sense.

          • AutismDad

            Autism isn’t one thing. It an individual injury. Doing an analysis of outdated studies hand picked by the authors is the usual con job.

          • AutismDad

            Wasting our time is what you actually do. But its like Comedy Central so keep making a fool out of yourself.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            I’m not making a fool out of myself at all, you’re the one that refuses to read a valid source and has to hold the belief that every legitimate group of trained scientists that produce a study is wrong simply so your retarded beliefs don’t unravel in front of you.

          • sabelmouse

            you funny bjorn.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            You’re not.

        • Stacy Garinger

          thank you thank you MisterLiteral…. jesus it’s so hard to share your own opinion here. people are so stubborn and so right. and everyone else is wrong. pretty sure this doctor admitted to lying about the vaccine/autism connection and that’s why he lost his license.

      • Stacy Garinger

        No I don’t I don’t care he’s a lying thieving cheating fear monger. I don’t want to hear a word he has to say. in case you unaware he confessed to lying and then lost his license as well as he should…. remember you have YOUR opinion and I have MINE it’s not wrong it’s just an opinion. you have no foundation or background or education to be spouting off. you just got a bit of bad luck and we are all sorry for you but go to the source for once

        • AutismDad

          You know nothing about me or Wakefield but make statements about us as if you do. Hopefully you don’t live life thinking you know details about others when its impossible you do.

          • Stacy Garinger

            No I don’t and I never said nor do I ever want to know you. you really don’t listen or read properly or understand a bloody word I’ve said. this is the last fucking time I’m going to ask you to STOP writing back to me. I will report you and try to block you and then I’m going to pray for you to get your shit together and wake you ass up to reality… good luck with that. now shut the fuck up and leave me the fuck alone. I mean it

          • Stacy Garinger

            Wakefield was a lying piece of shit fear monger and deserves everything he got

    • AutismDad

      Completely ludicrous.

  • WordSorter

    Love it. Shared.

  • AutismDad

    IF Wakefield actually did this, its brilliant. Why not have it peer reviewd by those not under the thumb of vaccine salesmen? And if its validated by experts in the field, we certainly MUST accept it.

    • Proponent
      • AutismDad

        Aren’t you clever…..that’s right you AREN’T

        • Hans Meyer

          “Aren’t you clever….”

          Yes, @disqus_XGmf2Z6ufy:disqus is.

          No surprise that you completely missed that.

          • AutismDad

            OK Adolf time to give yourself up.

          • Hans Meyer

            “OK Adolf time to give yourself up.”

            Who’s “Adolph”; and,

            Do you always speak in nonsensical gibberish?

          • AutismDad

            Change your name to Oscar Meyer . You’re a wiener.

          • Hans Meyer

            “Change your name to Oscar Meyer .”

            Why?

            “You’re a wiener.”

            The word is spelled w-i-n-n-e-r.

            You’re welcome.

          • AutismDad

            Sorry should have known you’re clueless and even a joke is too much for you to digest.

          • Rough beast

            Says the man who is making a point to make stupid, but serious, comments on a satirical article.

          • AutismDad

            Says Dr GOOF

          • Stacy Garinger

            I’m thrilled that this is a satirical article. I didn’t know and took it all too seriously

      • CS

        That can’t be right, that person at least hit the frame.

      • AutismDad

        OK Hans Meyer We know you are immature and you don’t have to prove it over and over.

    • Gabby Hayes

      I suspect that Wakefield got the idea from Seralini.

      • AutismDad

        Is that the Seralini who bit his wienie?

        • Jim Howland

          Where does this fixation of yours with wienies come from, A-Dad? You may well make an excellent case study for some psychologist. It’s just too bad you’ve come along after the Freudian thing is pretty much over.

          • Mike Stevens

            He appears to have some form of fecal fixation too.
            Perhaps he is a precocious 2 yr old going through an anal phase?

          • AutismDad

            Hans Meyer called mike he wants to know why you refuse to take his calls (0)

          • kellymbray

            Alcoholic 50+ white male, divorced, minimal custody, loathes his disabled kid. He has never made a single comment talking about his love for his kid.

    • Stacy Garinger

      But it was proved that it was not real and that he lied. and that there was NO basis whatsoever about the connection to MMR vaccine and autism. what say you about that

      • AutismDad

        I say you haven’t read about it in depth and are merely parroting media reports which are not science. Wakefield et al were doing legitimate work at Royal Free. Their report was twisted by media, causing an uproar about the MMR. The MMR in question was GlaxoSmithKline’s. GSK is entrenched in Britain, having powerful allies like the Murdochs and other elite in high places. Canada had rejected this MMR for SAFETY reasons, but Britain used it because as I said GSK had connections. When approached, Wakefield et al said they stood by their report. It was NEVER a vaccine safety test or anything to do with them except that the parents claimed their children regressed after this MMR. Lawyers pursuing an MMR case ask Wakefield et al for information to help their case and it was a fee for service agreement. Murch was found not guilty. Walker Smith later was exonerated. Wakefield did not pursue exoneration. So simply saying what you say is far from factual. Wakefield faced a kangaroo court as a whistle blower. If you pursue it, you will find even the judge had ties to GSK.

        • Stacy Garinger

          that’s all fine but curiously are you trying to say that the MMR vaccine causes autism? because it doesn’t this the legal issues he faces and the forging and lying. He got caught. I’m not parroting anything trust me did my own research. Know my own information.

          • AutismDad

            You must be joking. I actually know the issue far better than you. What you say isn’t factual, its media written.

          • Stacy Garinger

            you never actually said if you believe vaccines caused your childs autism. You better get to doing your research and learn what you need to learn. It’s been clearly proved it does NOT

          • AutismDad

            Thanks professor DUH

          • Stacy Garinger

            you are so uninformed it pains me: a British former surgeon and medical researcher, known for his fraudulent 1998 research paper in support of the now-discredited claim that there was a link between the administration of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, and the appearance of autism and bowel disease.[1][2][3][4][5]

            After the publication of the paper, other researchers were unable to reproduce Wakefield’s findings or confirm his hypothesis of an association between the MMR vaccine and autism,[6] or autism and gastrointestinal disease.[7] A 2004 investigation bySunday Times reporter Brian Deer identified undisclosed financial conflicts of interest on Wakefield’s part,[8] and most of his co-authors then withdrew their support for the study’s interpretations.[9] The British General Medical Council (GMC) conducted an inquiry into allegations of misconduct against Wakefield and two former colleagues.[10] The investigation centred on Deer’s numerous findings, including that children with autism were subjected to unnecessary invasive medical procedures,[11] such as colonoscopy and lumbar puncture, and that Wakefield acted without the required ethical approval from an institutional review board.

            On 28 January 2010, a five-member statutory tribunal of the GMC found three dozen charges proved, including four counts of dishonesty and 12 counts involving the abuse of developmentally challenged children.[12] The panel ruled that Wakefield had “failed in his duties as a responsible consultant”, acted both against the interests of his patients, and “dishonestly and irresponsibly” in his published research.[13][14][15] The Lancet fully retracted the 1998 publication on the basis of the GMC’s findings, noting that elements of the manuscript had been falsified.[16] The Lancet’s editor-in-chief Richard Horton said the paper was “utterly false” and that the journal had been “deceived”.[17] Three months following The Lancet’s retraction, Wakefield was struck off the UK medical register, with a statement identifying deliberate falsification in the research published in The Lancet,[18] and is barred from practising medicine in the UK. kinda done with talking to you now… take care of yourself and I wish you the best with your child

          • AutismDad

            No Stacy. You are brainwashed by media. I’ve read all this crapola before. It was created by assassin Brian Deer, it isn’t factual.

          • AutismDad

            Buh Wah Ha Ha….so gullible

          • Peter Foster

            From your comments you do not have a clue. Wakefield was struck off for fraud and misconduct, including child abuse.
            I think the question that needs to be answered is why are you so keen to support a child abusing fraudster?

          • AutismDad

            No a better question is can we cure your ignorance by actually having you understand the real story. I seriously doubt it. we can put men on the moon, but there’s no cure for ignorance.

  • The irony here is that this satirical article describes perfectly the sequence of events which led to Wakefield being vilified and found guilty of charges which can easily be disproved by anyone who cares to check the actual facts. (Hint: Brian Deer does not publish the facts…some of his charges are laughable given how easily they can be debunked.)

    • Bjorn Fowler

      If that was the case Wakefield would have been able to defend himself in court. But no, he was a fraud and performed with dishonest and unethical practice.
      All for money

      • AutismDad

        Yea Fowler more stupid statements.

        • Bjorn Fowler

          It’s actually a very logical statement, if the evidence is so easy to disprove, then why the hell wouldn’t he have done so?

          • AutismDad

            Look up logical in the dictionary. Your statements about Wakefield come from your twisted interpretation of Brian Deer’s lies. You sound absolutely foolish and dense.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Says the kid who hasn’t said a single logical statement

          • AutismDad

            But I’m not spouting twisted rubbish about Wakefield .

          • Bjorn Fowler

            He definitely tried to make people believe MMR caused autism, even if he was wishy washy about it. Until his paper, no one had ever linked MMR to autism and his paper suggested that link.

            Either way you’re spouting anti-vaccination rubbish

          • AutismDad

            Suggesting a link??? What happened to your ALMIGHTY SCIENCE? If CDC were to make a link to autism it would be considered groundbreaking. You act like no one cares what causes autism and anyone looking or suggesting is a fraud and a criminal. What a tard you are.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Um no, if CDC were to make a link, i would expect them to show their data.
            Also, Wakefield’s data was fudged. That’s what I consider him a fraud. There are plenty of people who care about autism, but all their efforts show IT’S NOT LINKED TO VACCINES.
            Science has disproven this more than any other false information

            You retard.

          • AutismDad

            Says you and many others who fail to understand whats really happened and is still happening. If you had any sense you’s be skeptacle.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            And want proof or even reason do you have to claim this?

          • AutismDad

            Bajorn you’re an idiot. You are on these forums and reading comments and learning nothing. No wonder you are so brain deasd.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            avoiding the question like always

          • AutismDad

            Read your question. It doesn’t mean anything. Its blah blah

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Answer the question

          • AutismDad

            blah blah

          • Bjorn Fowler

            What’s that? You can’t answer it? What else is new though?

          • AutismDad

            Can’t be bothered answering.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            In other words, you can’t, you know you can’t, but you don’t want to admit it.

          • AutismDad

            I admitted I wasn’t bothering.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Yeah because you know there is none

          • AutismDad

            wrong troll

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Then post it. You and I both know you’re wrong

          • AutismDad

            Wake up Fowler, you are dreaming.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Post it, you’re still avoiding a very simple request

    • Maria_MacLachlan

      I spent many hours checking the actual facts. Wakefield should have served a jail sentence.

      • Peter Foster

        It is unfortunate that scientific fraud is not punished as financial fraud. Wakefield should have all his assets seized and have been put in solitary confinement, with no human contact for the rest of his life.

        • AutismDad

          Then most scientist and researchers would be.

      • AutismDad

        You lie then

        • Maria_MacLachlan

          No, I don’t. But for clarification, what exactly are you accusing me of lying about?

          • AutismDad

            That what you read was such that Wakefield should be jailed. It shows you are like many who doesn’t know what the real issue was, that any who are critical of vaccines will be destroyed. What you’ve read was newspaper stories and what TV reported.

          • Maria_MacLachlan

            Try to grasp the difference between lying and expressing a personal opinion based on the available evidence. I happen to think that subjecting children to procedures that were neither necessary nor justified and without lawful consent amounts to assault. In fact, I think everything he was found guilty and struck off for justified a prison sentence. You are at liberty to disagree but accusing me of lying because I believe criminal behaviour merits a criminal’s punishment makes you sound disturbingly sycophantic, frankly.

            Secondly, while simultaneously accuse me of lying, you also seem to be accusing me of being mistaken. These would seem to be mutually contradictory accusations which suggest you’re a bit muddled in your thinking.

          • Don’t waste your time on this guy. He’s a bitter and angry anti-science troll. And a homophobe, to boot.

          • Maria_MacLachlan

            Yeah, I’d kind of worked that out. The only reason I bother with anyone like him is because I find it strangely enjoyable.

          • I completely understand. It’s the only reason I ever respond to any of his troll-y juvenile posts.

          • Chris

            Same here. He seems upset that I am trying to get him to go on the Conspira-Sea cruise: The Woo Boat, or: How far Andrew Wakefield has fallen. 😉

          • He worships Mr. Wakefraud. He considers him to be a hero and a great man – his words, not mine. Disgusting.

          • AutismDad

            Trollism ” Wakefraud”

          • Apparently, anybody who disagrees with you, whether they supply references or not, is a troll. You’re a very small-minded, insignificant, sad little man.

          • AutismDad

            And you are a practiced, rehearsed plant

          • WHERE’S MY BAG OF MONEY??? I knew I couldn’t trust “BIG Pharma” to tell the truth when they promised it to me for promoting science.

          • AutismDad

            Shows what a moron you are. Another victim

          • AutismDad

            Another Pharma victim. Welcome to the ever growing club.

          • AutismDad

            Hardly clown

          • AutismDad

            You are simply another ignorant troll who doesn’t do anything but whine.

          • AutismDad

            Must be you when a toddler. I wouldn’t show it too often is offensive.

          • AutismDad

            No you think you can act superior when you aren’t. Blah blah is what you post, media stories for old ladies to go tut tut over.

          • Maria_MacLachlan
          • AutismDad

            Is it evidence or nonsense?

          • Maria_MacLachlan

            No.

          • AutismDad

            And what are you Pastrami? A supporter or employee of a company or agency that maims and kills consumers. How nice.

          • mmmm, pastrami…

          • AutismDad

            You lie because you are ignorant of what that issue was about and who REALLY wanted Wakefield to halt what he planned to do. GSK who later had James Murdoch on its board, knew what a low life form Brian Deer was and had this assassin go after this group of respected researchers who were implying the GSK MMR was problematic. In FACT Canada rejected it because of safety concerns. Warnings from Canada’s Minister of Health were ignored because GSK is entrenched in Britain with friends in high places. It was a show trial, a message to whistle blowers, punishment, and was meant to protect those who owned and were shareholders in GSK stock. Brian Deer’s fantasy report was accepted by a kangaroo court to complete the charade.

          • Proponent

            Address the points, Dud.. stop changing the subject..

            “I happen to think that subjecting children to procedures that were
            neither necessary nor justified and without lawful consent amounts to
            assault.”

            … there is no defense for these indefensible and contemptible (and medically invasive) actions by Wakefield.

            Try and stay on point and offer something up, Dud..

            (*cue more sophomoric crap from Dud in.. 3.. 2.. *)

          • AutismDad

            What a lame duck. Same old lame old plopaganda. Challenge yourself clown, its you and you ilk who need to wise up.

          • AutismDad

            I addressed them Jethro

      • AutismDad

        Facts??? Try Brian Deer fiction

        • Maria_MacLachlan

          This would be Brian Deer, Distinguished Lecturer in Life Sciences at the University of Wisconsin, winner of the HealthWatch award and of two British Press Awards? Yes, I’ve read his stuff and it seems to be well supported but if you have evidence that contradicts his, feel free to present it – preferably beneath one of my blog posts on the subject. http://www.skepticat.org/2009/03/the-case-against-dr-andrew-wakefield-part-1/

          • AutismDad

            No not Brian Deer from Wisconsin. Are you daft? Brian Deer writer for the Sunday Times who wrote about Wakefield in cahoots with Rupert and James Murdoch and members of Britain’s health department that allowed him access to anything he wanted when he should not have been allowed. The Brian Deer who contacted the 12 children’s parents under an alias so he could interview them. He is a criminal.

          • Maria_MacLachlan

            No, I’m not daft – you are for not checking some basic facts before posting. I didn’t say he was from Wisconsin, I said he delivered a lecture at the uni there. Also at the university of Michigan. Strange that these respected academic institutions would host a criminal but then, unsurprisingly, you’ve provided no evidence that he is one.

            Anything to say about Wakefield’s inadequately founded research, his failure to obtain ethical approval for it, his improperly obtained funding for it and his unnecessary and invasive investigations into children?

          • AutismDad

            Ask Wakefield. Listen to him explain it. You won’t, you’ll just slither back under your rock.

          • Mr. Wakefield’s credibility leaves a bit to be desired. I mean, he’s a convicted fraud and disgraced former doctor. Why would anyone believe anything he has to say? Why have you people chosen this total loser as your hero? Sad.

          • AutismDad

            Explain why 12 other scientists/ researchers also threatened or charged were not convicted? You are obviously deaf, dumb, blind AND clueless.

          • Ahhh, but you and your merry band of clueless twits know the secret that everyone else missed! Good job! How about doing an expose? I’m sure you have solid evidence of this big bad conspiracy. You’d be famous!

          • AutismDad

            Stooge alert, Pastrami has lost it…again.

          • AutismDad

            So does yours, but because I’m a good sport I don’t treat you any differently that other minions and stooges.

          • Katia

            Yes, and one of his co-authors was exonerated b/c the courts decided Wakefield deceived him. What a jag!

          • Maria_MacLachlan

            Why should I listen to someone who’s already been struck off and laughed out of court because the weight of evidence against him – much of which is in the public domain and which I have examined – shows him to be a devious, unconscionable liar and hypocrite, whose only support comes from closed-minded sycophants who can’t face the truth?

          • AutismDad

            And there we have it. The minion who would remain ignorant and propagate the lies instead of going to the source for information. Blind Faith must be your creed.

          • Maria_MacLachlan

            On the contrary and as I have already pointed out to you, I have examined whatever evidence is in the public domain and made up my mind according to that evidence. Unlike you, I don’t have an axe to grind and can therefore be objective and I don’t need to spit the dummy when people disagree with me.

          • AutismDad

            Objective….what a hoot.

          • ANB2015

            Blind Faith is my all-time favorite album!

          • Katia

            I have enough psychiatric background to think that Wakefield is a psychopath.

          • Chris

            But Wakefield gave a a speech in Wisconsin too! It just happened to occur at the Myrick Park Gun Shelter in La Crosse:
            http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/10/04/science-is-quite-safe-from-your-pitiful-little-band/

          • Maria_MacLachlan

            LMAO! I wonder if they managed to fill all 40 seats to hear His Fraudness.

          • AutismDad

            Brian Deer …..at the U of W. Of course you don’t mention his complete history and that he worked at the Sunday Times for the Murdoch’s who wire tapped phones to get information for news stories.

          • Maria_MacLachlan

            Actually I do mention that he worked at the ST – on my blog where I have written several articles about Wakefield to which I provided a link in my earlier comment. As for phone-tapping – did Deer do that? No. Therefore it has no bearing whatsoever on anything and you are clutching at straws.

          • AutismDad

            So you have a biography of Deer’s work life ? He was hired as an assassin and he performed the task. Didn’t hurt that the GMC never questioned it and did its duty as a kangaroo court, even including many with ties to GSK. Conflict of interests only applied to Wakefield didn’t they?

          • Maria_MacLachlan

            Do grow up.

          • Katia

            Don’t waste your time, Maria. He’s a stalker!

          • Maria_MacLachlan

            A stalker and a troll but sparring with him is such fun! 😉

          • AutismDad

            So you admit by your omission that you have little idea what Brian deer is capable of. You simply chose (blind faith) to believe what he created instead of having balanced information to weigh. Sad but true. Oh, and telling me to grow up….hardly original. Sounds desperate too.

          • Maria_MacLachlan

            You seem unable to grasp that “what Brian Deer is capable of” is neither here nor there. The evidence he uncovered and exposed is well supported – that is why not only I but the GMC chose to believe it – and you’ve done nothing to undermine it. Instead you have descended into ridiculous ad hominem; you sound like a petulant adolescent who can’t argue his way out of a paper bag and telling you to grow up is the only response you deserve.

            Unless you come up with something well-reasoned, I won’t be responding to any more of your silly comments.

          • AutismDad

            Sounds like I burst your bubble and now you are afraid I’m right. So much emotion too, tells me I’ve hit a nerve.

          • Jem

            No, she’s right. You do sound like a teenage boy having a tantrum and you don’t have an argument. You’re just a nasty troll and so is your pet mouse.

          • AutismDad

            a new Vac-Troll in town

          • AutismDad
          • Jem

            Those two sites are risible. There’s no evidence linking MMR jabs to autism and delusional parents writing letters doesn’t change that.

          • AutismDad

            Some of us have a greater understanding and sympathy. we don’t close our minds simply because those who push vaccines tell us to.

          • Jem

            Telling someone to grow up sounds desperate? Funny you should say that when you did exactly that to Hans Meyer. LOL.

            AutismDad Hans Meyer • 18 hours ago
            childish. Grow the — up

          • How do you even dress yourself in the morning?

          • AutismDad

            My valet helps

          • AutismDad

            how bout you, aide wipe your ass?

  • Stacy Garinger

    I wonder where AutismDad got his medical background from? A cracker jack box perhaps? I refuse to listen to anyone who doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about

    • AutismDad

      Yours was on the back of an Alpo can.

  • AutismDad

    Some reading http://www.uni.edu/desoto/autism_relevant_vaccine_dangers.htm (lots of studies-metals)
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed.21623535 (positive association, autism-vaccine uptake)
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3395253 ( Thimerosal & mitochondrial genome damage)

    • Chris

      The MMR vaccine has never contained either thimerosal or an adjuvant. And Prof. DeLong teaches finance and is not a qualified epidemiologist. She apparently thinks every child in school who gets speech services is autistic. This would be a huge surprise to the hearing impaired and those who stutter.

      • AutismDad

        Who said MMR did?

        • Chris

          Oh, my apologies. I thought you were actually commenting based on the above article, the one where it is claimed by Wakefield that the MMR vaccine caused autism, not thimerosal… or adjuvants. I didn’t realize that you were just randomly posting silly papers just because you were bored. Perhaps you were trying to make us laugh, because that DeLong bit is just hilarious.

          Could you guys please make up your mind on what in vaccines cause autism!? I mean it is very confusing, you all keep changing it around and mixing it up. Someone says “mercury”… then someone else says “sodium chloride” and then someone else says it was some fairies at the bottom of the garden.

          • AutismDad

            The real science hasn’t been done asswipe.

          • Chris

            Ah, poor baby, you are adorable.

          • AutismDad

            die

          • Chris

            Well, aren’t you just the cutest little thing!

          • AutismDad

            Have you died yet? Let me know so I can Party

          • Chris

            You are just so cute! Just get yourself a ticket for the Conspira-Sea cruise. Hanging around with your heroes should make you very happy.

          • AutismDad

            Are you coming on to me DUDE?? EW!

          • Chris

            Ha, ha, ha! Fortunately I am married to someone who is actually intelligent. Plus I do not possess a Y-chromosome.

            It is just fun to watch you clutch your pearls with vapid arguments.

          • AutismDad

            Denial is a sure sign that you were. Odd an intelligent person would marry you. People eh?

          • AutismDad

            I see the confusion. A holes usually see it that way.

          • Chris

            Have you booked a cabin for the Conspira-Sea Cruise yet? Or are you afraid you will swoon when in the presence of Wakefield?

          • AutismDad

            Have you planned to go to Trollapaloza, sponsored by CDC and MERCK?

          • Chris

            Hmmm… I see a big difference between two things:

            Fact: Conspira-Sea Cruise, which makes it hilarious, there is even a panel discussion on what causes autism with Andy Wakefield, Sherry Tenpenny and Jeffery Smith

            Fantasy: “Trollapaloza, sponsored by CDC and MERCK”, which is just pathetic in boring use of the Pharma Shill Gambit, and not even as funny as the paper by the econ professor who thinks any kid requiring Speech/Language intervention is autistic.

          • AutismDad

            Are you always this dense?

          • Chris

            You are extremely amusing with your Dunning-Kruger delusions of competency.

  • AutismDad
    • Chris

      Wow, a whole website of Wakefield fanbois. I am so totally convinced that the following are real people:
      Deadman FaDFALtoqapnEM
      http://paydayloanssdfsf.co.uk
      http://xl-spain.com/levitra-x.html
      Steep777 NoJFyqAwfCf

      • AutismDad

        Well if you believe Wakefield ruined his life on purpose you’ll believe just about anything.

        • Chris

          Aren’t you the cutest little fanboi! I bet you think those are real names.

          • AutismDad

            You may want to work on your communication skills…they blow

          • Chris

            Oh, you are such an adorable Wakefield fanboi!

  • EJ

    Wakefield had the findings overturned in court. I do believe him the victim of scapegoating because he was uncovering the truth. However, I do need to point out that the committee funded by Wakefield and considering evidence submitted by Wakefield is clearly not unbiased or objective and those who still want to slate him, will use that to continue to do so.

  • EJ

    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/cdc-scientist-apology-to-andrew-wakefield-about-mmr-causing-autism-journalist-celia-farber-interviewed-on-breaking-this-story-robert-scott-bell-radio-show/

    CDC scientist apologises to Dr Andrew Wakefield “Celia Farber who yesterday broke the news of CDC senior scientist and researcher Dr William Thompson apologising to Dr Andrew Wakefield for the harm caused to Dr Wakefield over the CDC denials that MMR vaccine causes autism when the CDC knew it did.”

    British Court Throws Out Conviction of Autism/Vaccine MD: Andrew Wakefield’s Co-Author Completely Exonerated

    Autism Action Network

    In a stunning reversal, world renowned pediatric gastroenterologist Prof. John Walker-Smith won his appeal against the United Kingdom’s General Medical Council regulatory board that had ruled against both him and Andrew Wakefield for their roles in the 1998 Lancet MMR paper, which raised questions about a link to autism. The complete victory means that Walker-Smith has been returned to the status of a fully
    licensed physician in the UK, although he had already retired in 2001 —
    six years before the GMC trial even began.

    http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2015/02/18/breaking-news-vaccine-researcher-dr-andr

  • EJ
    • Chris

      You might try reading the whole thing. It exonerates Prof. Walker-Smith because Wakefield did not tell him everything.

      A couple of pertinent quotes:

      The joint view of Professor Walker-Smith and Dr. Murch, stated in a letter to Dr. Wakefield on 21st January 1998, was that it was inappropriate to emphasize the role of MMR vaccine in publicity about the paper and that they supported government policy concerning MMR until more firm evidence was available for them to see for themselves. They published a press release to coincide with publication stating their support for “present public health policy concerning MMR”. Dr. Wakefield’s statement and subsequent publicity had a predictable adverse effect upon the take up of MMR vaccine of great concern to those responsible for public health. There is now no respectable body of opinion which supports his hypothesis, that MMR vaccine and autism/enterocolitis are causally linked.

      and:

      vi) Professor Walker-Smith had no rational motive to begin research before it was authorised, carry it out in breach of the requirements of the Ethics Committee after it was authorised or deliberately to mislead the Ethics Committee and others about his intention. Unlike Dr. Wakefield, he was agnostic or cautious about the claimed link between MMR and autism and gastrointestinal disorders. On 29th and 31st July 1997 he wrote privately to Dr. Wakefield to express his and Dr. Murch’s concern that their professional reputation would be damaged by association with work prematurely leaked to the media.

      And the conclusion, please tell us where Wakefield is the one being mentioned:

      For the reasons given above, both on general issues and the Lancet paper and in relation to individual children, the panel’s overall conclusion that Professor Walker-Smith was guilty of serious professional misconduct was flawed, in two respects: inadequate and superficial reasoning and, in a number of instances, a wrong conclusion. Miss Glynn submits that the materials which I have been invited to consider would support many of the panel’s critical findings; and that I can safely infer that, without saying so, it preferred the evidence of the GMC’s experts, principally Professor Booth, to that given by Professor Walker-Smith and Dr. Murch and by Dr. Miller and Dr. Thomas. Even if it were permissible to perform such an exercise, which I doubt, it would not permit me to rescue the panel’s findings. As I have explained, the medical records provide an equivocal answer to most of the questions which the panel had to decide. The panel had no alternative but to decide whether Professor Walker-Smith had told the truth to it and to his colleagues, contemporaneously. The GMC’s approach to the fundamental issues in the case led it to believe that that was not necessary – an error from which many of the subsequent weaknesses in the panel’s determination flowed. It had to decide what Professor Walker-Smith thought he was doing: if he believed he was undertaking research in the guise of clinical investigation and treatment, he deserved the finding that he had been guilty of serious professional misconduct and the sanction of erasure; if not, he did not, unless, perhaps, his actions fell outside the spectrum of that which would have been considered reasonable medical practice by an academic clinician. Its failure to address and decide that question is an error which goes to the root of its determination.

      Something really needs to be done to improve the reading skills of Wakefield fanbois.

  • David Jones

    go see #Vaxxed

    • Chris

      Only if it is a Mystery Science Theater 3000 version of that fraudumentary.

      • kfunk937

        Now that, I would like to see!

        Well, maybe not. It just occurred to me that watching with the sound off would cause me to miss all the excellent snark commentary in the foreground, in order to avoid too much manipulative scoring and voice-over in the background. So…nevermind.

      • AWESOME IDEA!!!11!!

    • Barney Hall

      Sure will! Just as soon as it’s free on Youtube. Until then I’ll just avail myself of all the info in the film – it’s all been publicly available for years.

    • Why would anyone do that? There are much better comedies and scifi movies out there than that POS.

    • Jefe Mixtli

      Yes!! Go see it.

      And afterward go get your GUN like Del Bigtree (one of the producers of VAXXED) has suggested and start fighting back.

      This is how BAT S$#T LOONY the Wakefield’s entourage is getting:

      “Do you think it’s a good idea to let the government own your baby’s body and right behind it your body? That is the end for me. Anyone who believes in the right to bear arms. To stand up against your government.I don’t know what you were saving that gun for then. I don’t know when you planned on using it if they were going to take control of your own body away.

      It’s now. Now’s the time.”

      http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/07/19/the-violent-rhetoric-of-the-antivaccine-movement-vaxxed-edition/

      • a6five

        Deplorable grammar, sentence structure and logic.

        • Jefe Mixtli

          We agree on the logic of Bigtree… and maybe the grammar too.

  • bev

    Never has Wakefield or anyone claimed to be ” anti–vaccine cult leader or followers.” We are pro-choice and anti mandates.

    • Chris

      His actions speak louder than his words, from him hijacking the press conference announcing his now retracted 1998 paper to the fraudumentary he is now flogging around the country.

  • Burmese Days

    Very immature article. As always, the pro-vaccine true-believers are intellectual lightweights. That’s why they write silly pieces like this.

  • TomXF

    Now if we can just get all the DNAs out of our food supply …